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	<title>Comments on: Unions Threatened by New House Healthcare Provision?</title>
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		<title>By: More Big Labor Angst over Obamacare &#38;laquo Publius Forum</title>
		<link>http://healthcarehorserace.com/opinion/09292009/unions-threatened-by-new-house-healthcare-provision/comment-page-1/#comment-2115</link>
		<dc:creator>More Big Labor Angst over Obamacare &#38;laquo Publius Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just that, the not all unions are so happy with Congress&#8217; current plans. We discussed this last month when we reported that the various propositions to tax so-called Cadillac healthcare plans has [...]</description>
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		<title>By: GJL</title>
		<link>http://healthcarehorserace.com/opinion/09292009/unions-threatened-by-new-house-healthcare-provision/comment-page-1/#comment-1967</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the new left wing talking point to fool the American people into thinking that their government takeover of Health Care is justified by imposing the Individual Mandate to buy Health Care from government dictated plans!


It tries to convince people that they need to allow the government to use FORCE to make people buy the government run Health Insurance:


“I am not as upset about the individual mandate as others around here. Changes are, it will not affect my life. But it will affect the life of irresponsible people who pass off their medical bills to people like me. Let’s face it. As a society we have made a decision that we are not going to let people die or go untreated just because they decided not to purchase health insurance and instead opted to spend their money in other ways. So they get treated and when they can’t pay for the bill, we are forced to pick up the tab. That’s why I am not as upset as others here about making people buy insurance. Philosophically, I find the idea of mandates abhorrent. However, the pragmatist in me realizes that we either make these people buy the insurance or I will continue to pay their bills. I vote for the former.”


I heard EXACTLY the same line from liberal callers on Levin and Boortz radio show….


And the same talking PT from Juan Williams on Oreilly on FOX….


This is a phony appeal to people’s sense of guilt (we don’t want people dying in the streets, FALSE of course) and envy (We are paying their costs, YA all 1% of them! Far less then the premium and tax increase I will be getting from Obamacare)!


We cant let these lies stand!


The left is using that as their counter-offense talking point to push people to support the Individual MANDATE since it is the KEY to their take over….


Notice how they are co-opting the language of conservatives using the words “choice” and  “responsibility” and “private Health Insurance” but it is all lies!


Individual Mandates to buy private insurance sound like a “free market” solution and “individual responsibility” but in this context they are not – they are simply a front for a government run system. Many conservatives can be easily fooled by this faux “private” front (Mitt Romney was) .


The conservative hosts where all struggling to combat these talking points because they don’t have the facts!


We Patriots need to call and email these talk shows and get the real facts to our media and representatives’ so they can rebut this FALSE PROBLEM!


Make no mistake, the left is going all out to fool the American people with this new lie!


The left is using that as their counteroffensive talking point to push people to support the MANDATE….


Here is an AP article I found today:


“People playing the odds on health care over costs”


http://apnews.excite.com/article/20090928/D9B0AI7G4.html


They are trying to paint this heavy-handed government action to force people to buy a private product as a “practical” choice. This leftist counteroffensive to ROB us of our rights as a free born citizen to make our own choices!


These people are being rational with their money and the left wants to FORCE THEIR OPINION ON THEM! They are going to tell us to buy their government Health Insurance or go to jail!


Here are the real facts about the so-called “Free rider” talking point!


(1) Uncompensated care you cite is 1% of total annual HC costs! This problem is SOOO SMALL in the trillions being spent its laughable! So you want to turn our HC system over to the FED GOVT for 1% of the cost and less then 3% of the population who doesn’t choose to buy HC insurance! 


Look at your Health Insurance Bill, figure out what 1% is – not much! And far, far, far less then how much the FED GOVT will drive up premium costs with bs regulation, fees and taxes!


The 1% is a small cost to pay to keep my liberty, right to choose to purchase health insurance, and to KEEP THE FEDS out!


(2) You presuppose ALL uninsured people don’t PAY the BILL for their medical care! Again, FALSE! Most people do try to pay, up to 75%. Some people actually save and pay out of their saving or pocket. You fall for the typical arrogant thinking – that your neighbor IS not doing the right thing when in fact most are. You would pay for your HC. Again, we want to take away rights based on false information and a small percentage of the population.


Here is how Health Policy expert Michael Cannon at the CATO Institute puts it:


“The left’s most powerful argument in favor of an Individual Mandate - that the Uninsured sometimes end up in the ER, and unable to pay their bills - isn’t powerful enough.  The appropriate response to this problem is not to take away the freedom of the non-free riders. The appropriate response is to leave the non-free riders alone, to place the cost of the “uncompensated” care on the would-be free riders, and to write off any remaining uncompensated care as the price of living in a free and decent society.”


Here is an article that debunks these leftist lies about the Uninsured!


http://townhall.com/columnists/JacobSullum/2009/09/23/does_cost_of_uncompensated_care_justify_forcing_people_to_buy_insurance


Contrary to popular opinion in the media, the Individual Mandate, not the so-called public option is the key to stopping Obamcare in its tracks. Stop the Individual Mandate and the whole bill will unravel for lack of funding and mandatory participation in the scheme!


This is a very dangerous period because Nationalization will still occur even without an overt government run insurance plan like this "public option" provision everyone keeps fixating on - Wyden/Bennett and the Bacus bill are prime examples of this.


Here are the core elements what will be contained in the “health care reform compromise” after the so-called “public option” is in all likelihood dropped:


(a) Federal Regulation aka HEALTH CZAR/DEATH PANELS


(b) Employer/Individual Mandates aka NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE


(c) Government Subsidies aka MIDDLE CLASS MEDICAL WELFARE 


With the Federal Government setting the rules, forcing everyone to participate, and is paying the bills for most of the middle class through subsidies how is this anything other than Nationalization? 


Here is a great link from a CATO study by Michael Cannon about how the takeover will work without a public option or COOP:


http://www.cato.org/people/michael-cannon


Here is a great link to an article by conservative writer Warner Todd Huston on how mandates will destroy our private medical care and Health Insurance just as fast as any public option or COOP:


http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/09/21/what-mandates-do-to-our-insurance/


This is a critical information! Please get the word out! forward to all your friends and email to your Congressional delegations and local/national conservative media!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the new left wing talking point to fool the American people into thinking that their government takeover of Health Care is justified by imposing the Individual Mandate to buy Health Care from government dictated plans!</p>
<p>It tries to convince people that they need to allow the government to use FORCE to make people buy the government run Health Insurance:</p>
<p>“I am not as upset about the individual mandate as others around here. Changes are, it will not affect my life. But it will affect the life of irresponsible people who pass off their medical bills to people like me. Let’s face it. As a society we have made a decision that we are not going to let people die or go untreated just because they decided not to purchase health insurance and instead opted to spend their money in other ways. So they get treated and when they can’t pay for the bill, we are forced to pick up the tab. That’s why I am not as upset as others here about making people buy insurance. Philosophically, I find the idea of mandates abhorrent. However, the pragmatist in me realizes that we either make these people buy the insurance or I will continue to pay their bills. I vote for the former.”</p>
<p>I heard EXACTLY the same line from liberal callers on Levin and Boortz radio show….</p>
<p>And the same talking PT from Juan Williams on Oreilly on FOX….</p>
<p>This is a phony appeal to people’s sense of guilt (we don’t want people dying in the streets, FALSE of course) and envy (We are paying their costs, YA all 1% of them! Far less then the premium and tax increase I will be getting from Obamacare)!</p>
<p>We cant let these lies stand!</p>
<p>The left is using that as their counter-offense talking point to push people to support the Individual MANDATE since it is the KEY to their take over….</p>
<p>Notice how they are co-opting the language of conservatives using the words “choice” and  “responsibility” and “private Health Insurance” but it is all lies!</p>
<p>Individual Mandates to buy private insurance sound like a “free market” solution and “individual responsibility” but in this context they are not – they are simply a front for a government run system. Many conservatives can be easily fooled by this faux “private” front (Mitt Romney was) .</p>
<p>The conservative hosts where all struggling to combat these talking points because they don’t have the facts!</p>
<p>We Patriots need to call and email these talk shows and get the real facts to our media and representatives’ so they can rebut this FALSE PROBLEM!</p>
<p>Make no mistake, the left is going all out to fool the American people with this new lie!</p>
<p>The left is using that as their counteroffensive talking point to push people to support the MANDATE….</p>
<p>Here is an AP article I found today:</p>
<p>“People playing the odds on health care over costs”</p>
<p><a href="http://apnews.excite.com/article/20090928/D9B0AI7G4.html" rel="nofollow">http://apnews.excite.com/article/20090928/D9B0AI7G4.html</a></p>
<p>They are trying to paint this heavy-handed government action to force people to buy a private product as a “practical” choice. This leftist counteroffensive to ROB us of our rights as a free born citizen to make our own choices!</p>
<p>These people are being rational with their money and the left wants to FORCE THEIR OPINION ON THEM! They are going to tell us to buy their government Health Insurance or go to jail!</p>
<p>Here are the real facts about the so-called “Free rider” talking point!</p>
<p>(1) Uncompensated care you cite is 1% of total annual HC costs! This problem is SOOO SMALL in the trillions being spent its laughable! So you want to turn our HC system over to the FED GOVT for 1% of the cost and less then 3% of the population who doesn’t choose to buy HC insurance! </p>
<p>Look at your Health Insurance Bill, figure out what 1% is – not much! And far, far, far less then how much the FED GOVT will drive up premium costs with bs regulation, fees and taxes!</p>
<p>The 1% is a small cost to pay to keep my liberty, right to choose to purchase health insurance, and to KEEP THE FEDS out!</p>
<p>(2) You presuppose ALL uninsured people don’t PAY the BILL for their medical care! Again, FALSE! Most people do try to pay, up to 75%. Some people actually save and pay out of their saving or pocket. You fall for the typical arrogant thinking – that your neighbor IS not doing the right thing when in fact most are. You would pay for your HC. Again, we want to take away rights based on false information and a small percentage of the population.</p>
<p>Here is how Health Policy expert Michael Cannon at the CATO Institute puts it:</p>
<p>“The left’s most powerful argument in favor of an Individual Mandate - that the Uninsured sometimes end up in the ER, and unable to pay their bills - isn’t powerful enough.  The appropriate response to this problem is not to take away the freedom of the non-free riders. The appropriate response is to leave the non-free riders alone, to place the cost of the “uncompensated” care on the would-be free riders, and to write off any remaining uncompensated care as the price of living in a free and decent society.”</p>
<p>Here is an article that debunks these leftist lies about the Uninsured!</p>
<p><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/JacobSullum/2009/09/23/does_cost_of_uncompensated_care_justify_forcing_people_to_buy_insurance" rel="nofollow">http://townhall.com/columnists/JacobSullum/2009/09/23/does_cost_of_uncompensated_care_justify_forcing_people_to_buy_insurance</a></p>
<p>Contrary to popular opinion in the media, the Individual Mandate, not the so-called public option is the key to stopping Obamcare in its tracks. Stop the Individual Mandate and the whole bill will unravel for lack of funding and mandatory participation in the scheme!</p>
<p>This is a very dangerous period because Nationalization will still occur even without an overt government run insurance plan like this &#8220;public option&#8221; provision everyone keeps fixating on - Wyden/Bennett and the Bacus bill are prime examples of this.</p>
<p>Here are the core elements what will be contained in the “health care reform compromise” after the so-called “public option” is in all likelihood dropped:</p>
<p>(a) Federal Regulation aka HEALTH CZAR/DEATH PANELS</p>
<p>(b) Employer/Individual Mandates aka NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE</p>
<p>(c) Government Subsidies aka MIDDLE CLASS MEDICAL WELFARE </p>
<p>With the Federal Government setting the rules, forcing everyone to participate, and is paying the bills for most of the middle class through subsidies how is this anything other than Nationalization? </p>
<p>Here is a great link from a CATO study by Michael Cannon about how the takeover will work without a public option or COOP:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cato.org/people/michael-cannon" rel="nofollow">http://www.cato.org/people/michael-cannon</a></p>
<p>Here is a great link to an article by conservative writer Warner Todd Huston on how mandates will destroy our private medical care and Health Insurance just as fast as any public option or COOP:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/09/21/what-mandates-do-to-our-insurance/" rel="nofollow">http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/09/21/what-mandates-do-to-our-insurance/</a></p>
<p>This is a critical information! Please get the word out! forward to all your friends and email to your Congressional delegations and local/national conservative media!</p>
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